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Approximate dates for these stays? [Jul. 30th, 2010|03:18 pm]
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[standgale]
Can anyone provide an approx date for these lovely stays?

Firstly, these at the Met museum, which only say 18th century on the info page
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/collection_database/the_costume_institute/corset/objectview.aspx?OID=80013053&collID=8&dd1=8

Also, how do you think the shoulder straps did up, as there are no lacing holes or anything. (you can zoom in to look more closely). Presumably these laced over the stomacher at the front - I'm a bit confused because that would make the centre back piece kind of weird looking to me, but otherwise it would be even weirder.

These ones from Ninya Mikhaila say "1700" on the page, but I'm not sure if she means actually the year 1700, or perhaps the 1700's more generally.
http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/underwear_1700stays.htm

I'm trying actually to find stays from around 1680-1730, but the one's I like seem to all be from later on, so if you have a couple of links lying around to stays from this date, that would be handy.

Thanks! And I hope you enjoy the pics if you have not seen them before.
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[User Picture]From: izodiea
2010-07-30 05:10 am (UTC)
1670s-1720s-stays: https://www.reconstructinghistory.com/rh711-1670s-1720s-stays.php?s=&c=22&d=36&q=2&p=9&w=21

I have this pattern (but have not actually used it) So I can't vouch for it.
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[User Picture]From: rabid_bookwyrm
2010-07-31 02:36 am (UTC)
Corsetmakers doesn't have much to say about it, either... http://community.livejournal.com/corsetmakers/tag/pattern%7Crh711%201670s-1720s%20stays

The Great Pattern Review might know more. I think mostly I've heard that the patterns aren't as easy to use as they claim to be.
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[User Picture]From: eggies_red_dres
2010-07-30 05:58 am (UTC)
I apologize for my lack of helping: speed lacing on stays? Can I have some!? YUM.

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[User Picture]From: ravenrigan
2010-07-30 06:31 am (UTC)
Maybe they used pins? Quite a lot of clothing was fastened by pins in those days.

I have the RH Stays pattern and it's a bit of a nightmare to use, and the armscye does something VERY peculiar.

The last set of Stays I made we followed some instructions on converting Drea Leed's ECG into 18th Century Stays and that was much more successful. katexxxxxx did a write up of the process (we did it together) over on dressdiaries earlier in the year.
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[User Picture]From: isiswardrobe
2010-07-30 03:45 pm (UTC)
Pink stays 1660-1670. The sleeves are removable;

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O10446/stays-and-busk/

Why do you think the back would lookk weird if it's laced over the stomacher? I'm sure that's what it's suuposed to do.

I think she means the 18th century in general.
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[User Picture]From: rabid_bookwyrm
2010-07-31 02:42 am (UTC)
I believe Corsets and Crinolines may have a some patterns or garments from about 1700. See if your local public or university library has the book.

I would bet the shoulder straps on those blue stays are meant to pin down. As ravenrigan says, lots of things were pinned in those days.
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[User Picture]From: standgale
2010-08-02 05:25 am (UTC)
I found that I have a drawing copied out from somewhere with a note saying it is from 1680, so that one might be from corsets and crinolines. I didn't copy the boning lines but there's a similar one in "waisted efforts" (which I think he says he got from C&C) so I can copy the boning from there
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[User Picture]From: corsetrasewing
2010-08-01 12:15 am (UTC)
it is also possible that there were ties directly attached to the strap points
like this later corset has on the front
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M969X.26?Lang=1&accessnumber=M969X.26
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